Friday, June 03, 2005

THE EVIDENCE

For those of you who still *on* the "What evidence?" "Show me the evidence" DENIAL.

I suggest to just OPEN YOUR EYES, FACE THE FACTS AND GET A LIFE.

And also read this (contributed from an informed comment on this blog) from Unfair dinkum? NOT
  • A 4.1kg bag of marijuana was found in Corby's bodyboard cover at Bali airport on 8 Oct last year.
  • Corby admitted she owned the long, flat bag and lifted it off the baggage carousel herself, apparently without noticing it weighed more than twice what a bodyboard should and had a pillow-sized lump in it.
  • Four Balinese customs officers and policemen testified that she tried to prevent an official from opening the bag. She had been under surveillance since an x-ray of the bag detected drugs before it was loaded onto the carousel.
According to the director of the Asian Law Centre at the University of Melbourne, Professor Tim Lindsey:
"... These facts gave the prosecutor a 'SUBTANSIAL CASE', that they found the cannabis in HER BAG.

In ANY LEGAL SYSTEM IN THE WORLD, that would establish a prima-facie case...."

32 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

* A 4.1kg bag of marijuana was found in Corby's bodyboard cover at Bali airport on 8 Oct last year.

A bag that had been out of her possession for however many hours, and was in the hands of baggage handlers that were later found to have taken part in a drug smuggling operation ON THE SAME FUCKING DAY!


* Corby admitted she owned the long, flat bag and lifted it off the baggage carousel herself, apparently without noticing it weighed more than twice what a bodyboard should and had a pillow-sized lump in it.

See above - what is the problem with admitting to owning something that was legal when it last left your hands?

* Four Balinese customs officers and policemen testified that she tried to prevent an official from opening the bag. She had been under surveillance since an x-ray of the bag detected drugs before it was loaded onto the carousel.

Indonesian officials? Probably didn't get a big enough bribe... that was Corby's number one mistake, going to a corrupt country without enough cash to make problems like this disappear.

5:25 PM  
Anonymous An Australian who respects the Indonesian judicial system said...

Hey mate, I don't know who the hell on earth are you but let me tell you something. Don't claim something without having adequate resources.
First, it is true that on the very same day with Corby's arrest(or you can use or barbarian term, the same FUCKING day) there were baggage handlers found to have taken part in a drug smuggling operation. But can i just ask you whether you have a proof that the arrest of those baggage handlers have any relation with Corby? Can you please show me a conspicuous relation between those two?
Don't just relate two things into one if you don't have enough reasons to support your opinion.

2. If you claim that Indonesia is a corrupt country and you can simply bribe the officials, I dare you to fly there, have 4,1 kg of marijuana with you, tell the so-called corrupt Indonesian officials and give them a bribe. Make sure you have an Australian reporter with you so I can laugh when I see your arrest on tv.

Admit it mate, it is not for us to decide whether Corby is guilty or not. Please respect the Indonesia judicial system. I am sure that you were happy when the same court and the same judge gave Imam Samudra the death penalty. Admit that Corby couldn't provide enuogh defence for her case...

8:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

... ,, 3 words to use.. GET A LIFE..

10:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

... ,, 3 words to use.. GET A LIFE..

10:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But can i just ask you whether you have a proof that the arrest of those baggage handlers have any relation with Corby? Can you please show me a conspicuous relation between those two?
Don't just relate two things into one if you don't have enough reasons to support your opinion.


Oh sorry, I forgot she had to prove her innocence in such a barbaric, backwards and corrupt society.

If you claim that Indonesia is a corrupt country and you can simply bribe the officials, I dare you to fly there, have 4,1 kg of marijuana with you, tell the so-called corrupt Indonesian officials and give them a bribe. Make sure you have an Australian reporter with you so I can laugh when I see your arrest on tv.

Admit it mate, it is not for us to decide whether Corby is guilty or not. Please respect the Indonesia judicial system. I am sure that you were happy when the same court and the same judge gave Imam Samudra the death penalty. Admit that Corby couldn't provide enuogh defence for her case...


It probably wouldn't work, but it is certainly clear that you have a better chance of making the problem go away with money than trusting Mr "500 cases and all of them were guilty". Either way, I wouldn't risk going to Bali now.

The reason Aussies reject the Indonesian courts is their failure to adhere to the presumption of innocence, and the fact that there are holes in the prosecution case big enough to drive trucks through, plus enough reasonable doubt from multiple sources to get the case thrown out of a 21st century court (one would hope, at least).

12:12 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm tired of repetition for presumption "innocent until proven guilty" for some ignorants like you. Please read your fellow Australian Tim Lindsey before you tell us that we have a different type of "presumption here". Fiuhhh I wonder that people use the same internet to be able searching for information but some fail to do that.

12:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you are so sick of hearing about the "innocent until proven guilty" line, then I suggest you stop trying to defend an indefensible policy of having accused people prove their innocence. The burden of proof lies on the person making the assertion, not the person making the denial.

8:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

do you know what "prima-facie" means?

9:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I repeat, Corby's camp, do you know what prima-facie means?

9:19 PM  
Anonymous Kat said...

This entry is wrong, AGAIN. Regarding the weight difference, when it arrived in Bali, Schapelle's (other) brother picked it up, so if she carried it in and he carried it out neither of them have actually been aware of the weight difference. He put it on the table, at which point the customs agent asked if it was his and he said that it was. However, she interrupted and corrected him. I doubt that she would have done this if she had a guilty conscience.

Also, most bags at Brisbane airport are X-rayed before boarding. However, her boogie board bag wasn't scanned at all. So - who decided behind the scenes not to scan it, and why? Hmm...

The fact is, her case wasn't investigated properly. No fingerprints were taken, no forensic tests were done - as usual, Indonesian law enforcement were too busy showing off to the media to actually do their job. What's more, when credible evidence came forward that the bag might have been tampered with, no one even tried to investigate further. There was no presumption of innocence - rather than the burden of proof beyond reasonable doubt being on the shoulders of the prosecution, Schapelle was forced to prove herself innocent. This is improper conduct, according to both the Australian and Indonesian justice systems. Her appeal has a lot they can use.

10:52 PM  
Anonymous Kat said...

Oh, and by the way "anonymous", I have a degree in law from the University of Adelaide. The Indonesian justice system DOES work around the presumption of innocence, rather than guilt.

10:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

do you know what "prima-facie" means?

Usually means "evidence without proof or reasoning". What's your point "anonymous"? Are you trying to say that Indonesian justice simply convict people on the basis of a first appearance, without taking into consideration legitimate evidence? Elaborate what you are trying to imply.

PT

11:48 PM  
Anonymous pik said...

Well, at least Corby's camp now invites somebody who's much smarter to give opinion here. Welcome Kat, I like to read your rational commments, really. I will use name Pik, rather than anonymous, and I'm not the owner of this blog.

1. She ever carried her bag after take it but then her brother help him (according to Customs officer testimony). So she ever feel how heavy her bag, and I don't think so a boogie board bag weight is 10 kg, rather about 3-5 kg, so with additional 4.1 kg make it about twice it's normal weight. Didn't notice it? mmmm welllllll... Also, the shape of the marijuana fit in well with the shape of her boogie bag, what a coincidence??!! I guess the baggage handlers were very lucky founding her bag, otherwise they have plenty of time to make it fit with her bag... wow..

2. Yes, she admit it was her bag, but then she was pretty nervous, she even refused to open her bag. You might as well say that you cannot believe this because it comes from the words of corrupt customs officer in a corrupt country. No camera? Your Brisbane airport also has the same problem with camera, so it's not monopoly of the turd world country. Corrupt officer? Corruption has nothing to do with this. Did he bribe Corby? Nop. He has no money interest in this case. In fact his career was on stake because of this case, better to let her out, no problem, less busy. Now he must face his neighbors who blame him because of lack of Australian tourists. Maybe his side job as a tourist guide also dissapear. Poor him.

3. If you can speak Indonesian you'll know from the trial that it's not about her bag not x-ray scanned. But rather Brisbane airport and Qantas couldn't provide the data needed. Who should be blamed? The judges?

4. Finger prints, to prove what? Do you think (if) it's planted by the baggage handlers they didn't wear gloves? Or if there's no fingerprint at all then Schapelle is innocent? How about if she used gloves?

5. Forensic tests of what? trying to know the origin of that marijuana? it's so obvious from the size and the smell, it's from Aussie!

6. I am honestly impressed by your degree, but it's better for you to argue then with Prof. Lindsay in Melbourne.

3:06 AM  
Anonymous Kat said...

Firstly, she didn't carry it after getting on the plane, therefore to know that it was heavier than when she'd checked it in she'd have had to be psychic. Also, plastic bags easily mould to the shape of the container they're in after a while. Give it a try.

Secondly, it's his word against everyone else's. What makes him more credible? The fact that he's in uniform? Not meaning to sound disrespectful to your country, but I've visited Bali once, and on one of the visits a customs officer made a rude remark about the box of condoms in my toiletries bag. You can't just assume that they're all perfect angels.

Next, the fact that Brisbane airpot didn't scan her bag (when they normally would have) is only further evidence that something dodgy may have been going on behind the scenes. Why scan a bag that you'd just planted drugs in?

If there were no fingerprints belonging to Schapelle, it would have been evidence to show that she may have been innocent, yes. On the other hand, if there were prints belonging to her on the bag of marijuana, it would have been firther evidence for the prosecution. Either side could have benefitted from fingerprinting - so why not do it?

Not necessarily. Even if it was, what harm would forensic tests have done? This and the lack of fingerprinting reeks of the prosecution refusing to allow a *fair* trial.

...why is it better to argue with a professor in Melbourne?

1:53 PM  
Anonymous pik said...

Kat,
According to her and customs officers in the trial that she drag it first because the handle was broken. So, yes, she picked it up. As for what I see in the TV that the pillow size marijuana is not something that very easy to mould. Well we may argue it without finish anyway.

his word against everyone else? there were 4 officers and polices there. Surely as a family and friend, the defense would give testimony favorable to Schapelle. Customs officers are not angel? surely, and maybe you're so pretty that's why they tried to mock you. If I were them and saw your beautiful face I probably did the same thing :) But it doesn't mean that everyone of them is a liar. As you mention also that Corby's father fault doesn't have anything to do with her. You got your point, the judges cannot do anything but rely on the testimony of their fellow civil servants.

I agree with you for the fingerprint, but again fingerprint wouldn't say anything as everybody may wear gloves. As well as forensic, it's obvious from Aussie.

Why to argue with Tim Lindsey? Because I don't have a degree in law. And you have somebody with many degree in law there in Melbourne Univ that write an article and give a seminar testified that the trial is fair, etc. used by this blogowner that you seem don't agree with. So it's better to argue directly to Prof. Tim Lindsey than give protests to this blogowner who merely quote him. :)

2:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From the article:

"The defence also claimed that Bali airport officials failed to videotape their search, dust for fingerprints or provide a translator.

The Balinese officials testified that they didn't need to: They knew there were drugs in Corby's bag before she collected it - and they spoke to her in English."

Oh, I see. They "didn't have to" videotape it because THEY KNEW there were drugs in the bag. If that was the truth, then they have just implicated themselves in planting drugs on Schapelle's bag. Secondly, they knew about the drugs, so they only had to videotape the search, and hey presto, they have a genuine arrest. Their complete incompetence of the procedure exonerates Corby from any guilt in the mind of fairminded people.

11:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

'anonymous' above me, better you read all contents of this blog before you make a comment..:)

4:53 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The 4:53pm "anonymous", what does reading other people's post have to do with the link that clearly states that customs officials KNEW that there was already drugs in Corby's bag? The QANTAS officials didn't know. The sniffer dogs didn't know. Schapelle didn't know. But, somehow, the customs officials KNEW that there were drugs in Corby's bag BEFORE Corby collected it. How convenient. The customs officials are basically admitting to planting the drugs.

5:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sigghhhh..anonymous 5:42, if you read all of the contents you would know that before it goes to conveyor in Bali airport, a bag has been x-rayed, that's why the customs officials had known if there's MJ in Corby's bag. Just trying to avoid a repetition for some igno...mmm I mean not so well informed persons...:)

6:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is that a desperate assumption? This many 'theories' have been getting far from the real evidences and help your imagination grows. Next time i might hear that the police are actually spies from russia? sigh

11:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You should have added your evidence to the court. Then you could have convinced Australians about Corby being guilty. What further evidence do you have that shows Corby's guilt that hasn't already been presented? Or are you just parroting the same old lines that Judge Sirait told you?

10:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Indonesians are corrupt, backward monkeys.

11:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

everybody reading your comment knows very well who's racist...how intelligent you are :)

2:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I must admit that Corby and her supporters have great imagination, you have talent for being great artists...:)

baggage handlers? who? any evidence? why refused to open the bag? I give you a best deal: say to judge Sirait that it was R2D2 who put marijuana there... in fact after Starwars is over he doesn't have any proper job to survive that's why this robot starts to try drugs business :D

2:08 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think she should be released so she can return to Australia and do a topless FHM shoot.

5:13 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Guilt without a doubt in my mind!! The family as a whole has a wrap sheet as long as my arm. Their excuses are ridiculous and lacking in credability. As far as the "baggage handler" claim goes... Not likely.. Schapelle needs to just suck it up and deal with the fact that she took a risk and it didn't pan out the way she had intended!

2:27 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who honestly cares... they should have hung the cunt like the Malaysians did to Chambers and Barlowe. The whole family are a bunch of degenerates - Shapelle's slutty mum should squeeze out some more drug dealers, then they get more couriers!
Enjoy Corby supportrs ;)

6:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The one big point over and over again. Corby picks up the bodyboard, weighs an extra 4 kilo,. has a pillow sized lump in the middle. Daaah, 1st thing you do is drop it, immediately point this concern to the nearest official, for as far as you are concerned, the worse case scenario is that someone has planted drugs in it.
What you dont do is pick it up, proceed to customs with an obvious, extra 4 kilos under your arm. Even Arnold Schwarzenegger knows the difference between 2 kilos and 6 kilos.
I read on the 'free schappele forum', some guy called Neville wright tried to explain to a contributor on this, that she did indeed request her bag be weighed. What he fails to point out is that she did this at the point it was discovered by customs, NOT when she picked it up from baggage collection some 5 to 10 minutes earlier.
If she is innocent, would have had to explain this part of the circumstances as to why she didnt act in the first instance.
If she is guilty, the time comes
with the crime and I think she has done enough time for this act.
Just because the family has a long history of drug related issues, it doesnt mean she is guilty here, but tells you something about the psyche of this family culture, especially front line spokesperson Mercedes.
Schappele, Mercedes and brother have all been regular visitors to Bali over many years, several times staying for months at a time. Aside from airfares alone, not a bad achievement for Schappele as a part time employed, basic qualified beautician.
just being the devils advocate here, but have always found this fascinating.

9:05 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If she isnt guilty the weight would of raised concern. She denied the officers to open the bag, corrupt or not are still officials and all had same testimony. The whole family has been done for drugs and even after shappelle was caught the brother and sister have been charged for drugs who were "with her" on the trip. She was the only clean sheet which indicates why she took blame thinking she might get away with it as if the indo judges wouldnt know the family history- idiot. As far as the drugs were planted coz the cameras and dogs didnt get it in bris well thats cock as I traveled to syd via bris every 1-2 months stayin a week about 6-7 times a yr for work for a peiod of 4 yrs and had paraphernalia on my person and in my bag nearly every time and never had an issue. She is guilty and got caught now has made every excuse and cried wolf since. But I say let her go. Let her get "randomly" raided 10yrs from now or get caught with stuff and then the whole world can see how full of shit she was/is n prob nevk herself in shame.

5:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm as aussie as they come and I still can't believe the people that try to say she is innocent. Forget about the courts, the justice systems everything else. have a look at her and her family, they look and act like real aussie bogan drug addicts. Isn't it funny I've heard countless times the question the conspirators throw up there "why would anyone want to bring drugs into bali" Well say they were planted on her why would that person want to bring drugs into bali. These people trying to say she is innocent remind me of all the women over here who you always here about standing up for women's rights and everytime something happens to a women they try and get they're ugly heads in the media to stick up for women.

7:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm as aussie as they come and I still can't believe the people that try to say she is innocent. Forget about the courts, the justice systems everything else. have a look at her and her family, they look and act like real aussie bogan drug addicts. Isn't it funny I've heard countless times the question the conspirators throw up there "why would anyone want to bring drugs into bali" Well say they were planted on her why would that person want to bring drugs into bali. These people trying to say she is innocent remind me of all the women over here who you always here about standing up for women's rights and everytime something happens to a women they try and get they're ugly heads in the media to stick up for women.

7:50 PM  
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