Tuesday, May 31, 2005

Boycott Bali? Boycott Australia!

From a very smart person that wrote on the comment on this blog:
Let us for a moment believe that Corby's claims are true, that an Australian in Australia placed the drugs into her bag in an Australian airport for transportation to another Australian airport to be removed by a fellow Australian baggage handler.

Said Australians therefore know that

(a). They have blown a domestic drug deal intended for Australia's streets and

(b). That a fellow Australian is innocent and is rotting in a foreign jail. Said Australians have had seven months to come clean and free a fellow innocent Australian from a foreign jail and from their collective consciences. These Australians however have remained steadfast in their silence, condemning a fellow Australian to 20 years of foreign incarceration.

As much as every bogan out on the street is shouting for a boycott of bali, I am finding it difficult to understand their logic.

Oh yes, it was the balinese that placed the drugs in her bag. It was the balinese that had not stood up for the Australian for seven months knowing all too well that their drug trade had gone bust, it was those evil balinese street merchants and hotel cleaners that have framed Corby through their silence.

Had any foreign national been caught with drugs entering this country and claimed that one had placed said items in their bags, would Australian custom officers react any differently?

I doubt Aussie custom officers would have a quiet chuckle with the accused smuggler and let them on their way.

The real evil are those Aussies that if we take Corby's words as truth, indicted her to a life of incarceration based on their cowardice.

The only logical step that the general public can take is to Boycott Australia!!

Ban Australia now for sending this girl to her hell!!!!

Boycott Australia!

80 Comments:

Anonymous jeffry said...

Only a group of bad and smart people that can make this issue to get to be such a bilateral legal issue between two countries.
Indonesia has a strict law regarding marijuana whereas Australia, on the other side, has a soft approach on marijuana trials.
However, let's think about this. The soft approach on marijuana will never happen in Indonesia because Indonesia is a developing country, which never want to lose the opportunity to move forward. Indonesia believes that by softening any kind of drugs law may threaten the productivity of the society that may lead Indonesia people to a more lazy and poorer condition.

11:19 AM  
Anonymous jeffry said...

Sorry, I mean "never wants".

2:31 PM  
Blogger Bobo said...

Mate, just out of technicality, if you tried to smuggle drugs into a country, why would you put them in a clear bag?

Surely you'd try to "hide" them. Am I right?

7:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mate, just a simple logic, what benefit Indonesia get for "framing" Corby?

And anybody who use her as mule surely would try to "hide" them. Am I right?

9:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mate you are a moron! Boycott Australia? Corby is INNOCENT. If anything boycott Qantas! why would a young childless person with the whole world ahead of her attempt to smuggle pot into bali? it's worth f**k all. forget wot all the ppl are saying! if you are australian, obviously not because u want to 'boycott the country' u may of heard on the corby special on channel 9 that another case had been brought forward to the government in 1996. where a couple arrived into bali, and didn't notice until they reached the hotel that they had a block of cannabis put into there bags in transit! they rang the australian authorities in bali & they told the couple to flush it down the toilet! how about you have some compassion for this poor girl, and support her! 96% of Australia do!

7:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

why would a young childless person with the whole world ahead of her attempt to smuggle pot into bali?

yeah great argument, GREED maybe? hah!

9:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

GREED?

WHAT ABOUT THE GREED OF THE INDONESIANS???

1 MILLION RUPIA AND A 20 YEAR SENTENCE?

MONEY HUNGRY HOE'S!

MATE SHALL WE ALL STATE AGAIN CANNABIS IS WORTH FUCK ALL IN BALI!

I COULD GET MORE $ FROM MY MUM, NOW THAT IS GREED!

10:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST CANNABIS MAN. SMOKE ALL YOU WANT. BUT DON'T GET CAUGHT.

DON'T PRETEND SHE'S INNOCENT, SHE KNOWS WHAT SHE'S DOING.

WHEN YOU SELL DRUGS, THERE'S RISK YOU GET CAUGHT.

SHE KNOWS THAT, THE SENTENCES IS NOT THE PROBLEM, THE PROBLEM IS THAT SHE'S GUILTY. PERIOD.

10:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

SHE'S NOT GUILTY INDONESIA IS JUST CORRUPT!

THEY DID DRUG TEST HER AND IT WAS NEGATIVE

10:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

THEY DID DRUG TEST HER AND IT WAS NEGATIVE

SO WHAT? IF SHE'S NEGATIVE IT'S THAT MEANS SHE DIDN'T BRING THE 4KILOS MARIJUANA TO THE COUNTRY

10:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WELL YEAH GENERALLY IF U DEAL U SMOKE.

10:51 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

honey you can't really boycott australia. your indonesian you can't afford the airfares

11:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

honey, so what? she's still guilty.

11:15 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fact 1:
Schapelle’s dad stated that he saw Shapelle pack her luggage.

Fact 2:
Brisbane airport have sent a legal letter stating Schapelle Corbys bag was x-rayed whilst in holding, she did not have access to the bag again until after she landed in Bali. The bag was cleared for any prohibited contents and then transferred from Brisbane to Bali, via Sydney.

Fact 3:
Australian Federal Police (AFP) requested a sample of the weed she was caught with so they could determine where it was grown.

The Indonesian Police will not comply as they say they have tested it.. they said it is "marijuana" and that is all the information they require.

Fact 4:
The AFP requested to finger print the plastic bag the weed was contained in… the Indonesian Police have advised this is not possible as it has all their finger prints over it.. Not wearing gloves whilst handling evidence, sounds really obvious if you ask me.

Fact 5:
Schapelle Corby’s lawyers have demanded video footage from Bali airport, alledgedly showing Schapelle attempting to stop the custom officer from unzipping her bag. The footage was not produced.

Fact 6:
Gold Coast businessman, Ron Bakir, fowarded a sworn statement from an unnamed source which supported the claim of Schapelle�s innocence.
The statement supports that Schapelle Corby is a victim of Australian drug trafficking ring.

AS STATED ON WWW.SCHAPELLCORBY.COM.AU

OHHH FACT 2 IS MY FAV U INDONESIAN SCUM

11:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Personally I'm partial to facts 3, 4, and 5 myself. Are the Indonesians afraid of the hearsay prosecution case being disproven?

11:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fact 1:
Schapelle’s dad stated that he saw Shapelle pack her luggage.


So what? Will a father said that his daugther is a drug dealer?

Fact 2:
Brisbane airport have sent a legal letter stating Schapelle Corbys bag was x-rayed whilst in holding, she did not have access to the bag again until after she landed in Bali. The bag was cleared for any prohibited contents and then transferred from Brisbane to Bali, via Sydney.


Somehow she did.

Fact 3:
Australian Federal Police (AFP) requested a sample of the weed she was caught with so they could determine where it was grown. The Indonesian Police will not comply as they say they have tested it.. they said it is "marijuana" and that is all the information they require.


So what if they don't produce it? It's an Indonesian case, what AFP got to with it?

Fact 4:
The AFP requested to finger print the plastic bag the weed was contained in… the Indonesian Police have advised this is not possible as it has all their finger prints over it.. Not wearing gloves whilst handling evidence, sounds really obvious if you ask me.


Again so what? What is obvious?

Fact 5:
Schapelle Corby’s lawyers have demanded video footage from Bali airport, alledgedly showing Schapelle attempting to stop the custom officer from unzipping her bag. The footage was not produced.


There is no security video camera in bali airport. The fact that the footage is not produced is not because that they are trying to "frame" Corby.

Fact 6:
Gold Coast businessman, Ron Bakir, fowarded a sworn statement from an unnamed source which supported the claim of Schapelle?s innocence. The statement supports that Schapelle Corby is a victim of Australian drug trafficking ring.


That unnamed source is another inmate in ur jail mate.

THINK A LITTLE BIT, IF ALL THIS IS JUST A INDONESIAN POLICE CONSPIRACY, FOR WHAT PURPOSE THAT THEY ARE DOING THIS?

11:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So what? Will a father said that his daugther is a drug dealer?

Fair call, but seeing as a crucial part of the defense case is that she didn't know that the drugs were in her bag, you'd think the Indonesian police would want to look into this claim further if they were running a fair trial.


Fact 2:

Somehow she did.

Wow, compelling evidence. "Somehow she did", huh? Well, that proves it then! Idiot.


Fact 3:
So what if they don't produce it? It's an Indonesian case, what AFP got to with it?

Well, surely seeing as a fairly large part of the defense hinges on actions that the defendant claims took part in Australia, you'd think the police would like to follow that up with their Australian counterparts. Also, I would have thought if Schapelle was indeed guilty of drug trafficking from Australia that Indonesian police would have wanted to co-operate with the Australian police in finding and stopping Schapelle's source - unless you're claiming she grew that 4.1kg of marijuana herself.


Fact 4:

Again so what? What is obvious?

It's obvious that contaminating crucial evidence by putting police fingerprints somewhat removes any possible certainty as to whether Corby touched the bag of drugs - again I would have thought this fairly crucial in deciding whether she's guilty or not.

Fact 5:

There is no security video camera in bali airport. The fact that the footage is not produced is not because that they are trying to "frame" Corby.

Then why the hell aren't there security cameras? Surely that'd be able to catch drug smugglers out without a shadow of a doubt? Rather than just relying on the word of a customs official?

Fact 6:

That unnamed source is another inmate in ur jail mate.

Surely someone who's been locked up for connections to drug smuggling is more likely to have inside knowledge of drug smuggling rings? The Americans used a convicted forger (forget his name, but the one from the movie "Catch Me If You Can") to detect forgeries. Somebody with knowledge of what they were trying to stop.

THINK A LITTLE BIT, IF ALL THIS IS JUST A INDONESIAN POLICE CONSPIRACY, FOR WHAT PURPOSE THAT THEY ARE DOING THIS?


To "make an example" of this Australian. To act super-uber-tough on assumed drug smugglers whether they actually are drug smugglers or not. And hell, maybe those customs officials - who never took a lie detector test - are part of a smuggling ring themselves, and want to pin the blame on the Aussie so they get away with their own unrelated actions? BEFORE YOU REPLY: NOTE: I DID NOT SAY THIS WAS TRUE, IT'S ONLY A POSSIBILITY.

12:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fact 2. All luggage, states within the law, that they are not to be tampered with after being checked in with airport security, until such passenger arrives at there designated destination.

Fact 3. She is our citizen and yes the federal police should intervene

Fact 4. Corrupt corrupt corrupt!!! Any civilized nation uses extensive forensic evidence to convict such criminals. Therefre not using gloves to handle the evidence is CORRUPT!

Fact 5. What airport that deals with hundreds of ppl in transit everyday not doing with a security camera. Sounds corrupt to me! You take bribes on a daily basis i'm sure you can afford one!

Fact 6. The unnamed source was actually caught drug trafficking within the airport baggage area after corby's arrest. so yeah for a lighter plea bargain of course you would tell authorites!


THINK A LITTLE BIT, IF ALL THIS IS JUST A INDONESIAN POLICE CONSPIRACY, FOR WHAT PURPOSE THAT THEY ARE DOING THIS?

ONE WORD MY CORRUPT FRIEND... MONEY!

12:06 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

ONE WORD MY CORRUPT FRIEND... MONEY!

YEAH INDONESIAN SHOWERED WITH MONEY AFTER THIS CASE. U ABSULUTELY RIGHT...

12:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

your corrupt u would do anything for money!!! how bout u get on a plane now and come and suck my dick... i'll give you $1 AUD it can feed your family for a week!

12:19 PM  
Anonymous tony said...

ok, indonesia (in a totem pro parte fashion) is corrupt, (so what else is new? don't tell us something we already know). there, we put something on the table, so would you now admit that corby is guilty? no? tough deal eh? and i thought you people like to make deals, tsunami aid for our court to bend our law for corby cause some "a dog ate my homework" argument?

:)

3:03 PM  
Anonymous jeffry said...

I believe Schapelle is innocent and has a bad luck of entering Indonesia with marijuana evidence in her belonging. I negatively think that someone has put her in trouble. Next time, people should be more careful about this.
If you try to smuggle or traffic drugs into one country, forget Indonesia.
Or, if you want to put someone in a lot of trouble relating to drugs, try Indonesia.

3:17 PM  
Anonymous l_b_a_i said...

You australian are yelling to free Corby. But do you know how many dead Indonesian fishermen in Australian jail??? Just because they don't know the border of Aussie and Indonesia? Even the aussie police burn their ships.

Double standard hah???? Shame on you :p

WHY AUSTRALIANS ARE STUPID???

Read this
http://mikepannone.blogspot.com/2005/05/why-australians-are-stupid.html

:p

4:12 PM  
Anonymous l_b_a_i said...

“In fact, if Corby is doing this in Malaysia, she would be hung to death in no time.”

4:22 PM  
Anonymous l_b_a_i said...

What if the victim was not Corby but another australian whose name is like this HUSAIN HAFIZ????

He is not young.
He is a guy.
He is not pretty.
He is sure that he is just a victim and definitely not guilty.

Would you do the same to this guy as you do to Corby?

4:27 PM  
Anonymous Indonesia Defender said...

Schapelle Corby is PURELY GUILTY, Yes she is as guilty as it appears at surface and deserves to be fired by indonesian armed forces, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT !!!
GO TO HELL YOU LUNATICS AUSTRALIANS, DON'T TRY TO HARM MY FELLOW INDONESIANS EVEN ON YOUR OWN FUCKING SOIL!!!!
WE HAVE MANY AUSTRALIANS HERE IN INDONESIA READY TO BE SERVED BEFORE THE INDONESIAN FIRING TEAMS.
DON'T TELL ME I DID NOT WARN YOU FUCKING AUSSIE !!!!!!!

6:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

uhh I'm sorry, I just want to say: Corby must be hanged!! any objection??

11:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Don't be so harsh mate! Corby needs not to be hanged. She must be hanged twice hahaha...

12:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Could we hang Corby rightnow please? I'm hungry...:)

12:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why those australian are so proud of their 96% anyway? It's been a tradition that they smug drugs... so what? 20 years is too good for corby anyway.... australians should be thankful for that =D And claiming they're civilized? LMAO. U guys are well known of being sooooo racist, especially to asians!

1:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

your corrupt u would do anything for money!!! how bout u get on a plane now and come and suck my dick... i'll give you $1 AUD it can feed your family for a week!
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Looks like this guy is terribly stupid in counting or math. Honey, $1 AUD won't even be enough to buy lunch! stupid!! Ever heard the word of "think" before? is this the same head that thinks that corby is innocent?

2:03 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

your corrupt u would do anything for money!!! how bout u get on a plane now and come and suck my dick... i'll give you $1 AUD it can feed your family for a week!
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Looks like this guy is terribly stupid in counting or math. Honey, $1 AUD won't even be enough to buy lunch! stupid!! Ever heard of the word "think" before? is this the same head that thinks that corby is innocent?

2:04 AM  
Anonymous ponk said...

Yeah, like a dickhead who sent our embassy biological weapon. Corby must be hung.

5:59 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Looks like this guy is terribly stupid in counting or math. Honey, $1 AUD won't even be enough to buy lunch! stupid!! Ever heard of the word "think" before? is this the same head that thinks that corby is innocent?

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Looks like this guy is incredibly stupid at counting past one.

Hint: You already posted once, leave it to the grown ups post next time.

10:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

corby must be hung?

wheres the evidence?

seriously finding 4.1 kgs on her is not a great argument!

where's the DNA?
Lie detector?
Security Footage?

This trial was handled poorly.

not enough evidence to convict!
So yeah she had it on her...

but why wouldn't the indonesians consider using the evidence from brisbane airport? there was no pot in it there from the baggage xray!

If travelling internationally u have bags checked at one airport and you don't see them until you arrive. and obviously sydney is not an international airport!

i respect indonesian law, but do indonesians respect innocent until no doubt proven guilty?
and obviously this was not the case!

retrial and we will see!
but someone told me if she does attempt a retrial they may shoot her?
in a developing country should this be right?

fair trial... NO!

if she is proven guilty, then yeah keep her! but its not a proven fact! shoot her if it makes u feel better!

10:46 AM  
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At 1:39 PM, Anonymous said...

I'd just like to know why you think these people are faggots and why you want more Asians to die. Please support your opinion.
At 1:47 PM, The Tsunami Rules said...

No reason needed. Fuck Asians.
At 1:51 PM, Anonymous said...

I think he wants all people to die. Niggers and Asians are a bonus though.
At 1:52 PM, The Tsunami Rules said...

Yeah. You've got the right drift.

I'm just glad the death-toll is so high as is.
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Well... it's true, AUSTRALIANS ARE RACIST PEOPLE! So proud of that huh? I once believed in schapelle, even frequently supporting her official site, but... being an ASIAN as you said, even that im not indonesian, i wish she'll get the punishment she deserves. And since you guys looooove tsunami, may one day you have one!

12:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I bet the Chinese aren't too happy about the treatment by Indonesians. The East Timorese aren't too happy about the treatment by Indonesians. West Papuans aren't too happy about the treatment by Indonesians. Clean up your own country before you criticise Australia's.

1:32 PM  
Anonymous Indonesia Defender said...

Go tsunami go.... go after australians and australia, sweeping them all the way to HELL !!!
LESS AUSTRALIANS MEANS BETTER WORLD TO LIVE!!!

1:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I bet the Chinese aren't too happy about the treatment by Indonesians. The East Timorese aren't too happy about the treatment by Indonesians. West Papuans aren't too happy about the treatment by Indonesians. Clean up your own country before you criticise Australia's.

OH YES AND I HEARD ALL OF THOSE ABORIGINES IN AUSTRALIA IS THE HAPPIEST PEOPLE ON EARTH I BET.

Look yourself in the mirror and clean up before u criticise other country.

WANKER.

1:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear friend, it's useless to talk to an Australian. Everybody knows they are the most racist people on earth. They hate asians ,including us Chinese people, niggers, you name it! Stop using my people as an excuse! We know how to be treated as chinese in your country!

2:07 PM  
Blogger Kalgor said...

Lol Australia is full of racists, because people move here from their own countries cause of problems and then spread their problems around Oz.

My asian friends seem more racist then my caucasian friends.

Ive had a number of asian friends tell me they like Australia cause it isnt swamped by asians yet.
:P

1 in 6 Australian's are asian and Australia's population is looking at going from 20 million to 50 million within 50 years.

I assume Oz was trying to get on well with Asian neighbours as place like South Korea, Thailand and China all seem to be eager to come down.

Guess the less people that come here the more room to surf :)

3:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ever got beaten by 7 'oz friends' when you came home from college just because you are chinese and your eyes are not big enough? True, Australians are not racist.

3:32 PM  
Blogger Kalgor said...

People in groups that bash people are called dickheads and you find them through out the world.

Mostly young dumb narrow minded males without a clue.

In Sydney I can get bashed by gangs of whites, asians, lebanese, italians, bikies, druggies, surfies, aboriginals, drunk footy teams etc.

Just have to loose your us and them attitude.

Maybe Australia should give Indonesia a Kangaroo effigy and both countries can play out the Helen of Troy story :P

5:23 PM  
Anonymous raditya said...

we dont give a shit before with Corby case. But you now make us angry Australian! And we'd like to organize public opinion to push the judges in the higher court give her a death sentence, not because of her guilt, but because of your behaviour that we don't like. Corby must be hung!

6:17 PM  
Blogger Kalgor said...

Im sure the media will take delight in watching the right wing nutters from both countries try and do their thing.

The 'Embassy Attack' even though it was a dud, police are wondering why the threatening letter was written in the indonesian language.

Only real winners here will be the media empires that create the hype and profit off turning a drugs trial into two nations suffering.

It wouldnt surprise me in the least if a journalist posted the package to the embassy.

6:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OH YES AND I HEARD ALL OF THOSE ABORIGINES IN AUSTRALIA IS THE HAPPIEST PEOPLE ON EARTH I BET.

Look yourself in the mirror and clean up before u criticise other country.

WANKER.


Dear self-proclaimed "wanker",

Aborigines in Australia have it pretty good. They may not be the "happiest people on Earth", but I am sure that they fair a whole lot better than the people that Indonesia continue to oppress. I bet most Aborigines have a better standard of living than even you. Your pithy response is evidence to the fact that Indonesians are the most racist, xenophobic people in the world.

7:02 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

raditya,
we dont give a shit before with Corby case. But you now make us angry Australian! And we'd like to organize public opinion to push the judges in the higher court give her a death sentence, not because of her guilt, but because of your behaviour that we don't like. Corby must be hung!

Thank you for your post. People can now see that you have no intention of being objective in your opinion of the Corby case. Your whole point is to degrade another country because your self-esteeme has been hurt.

Australia's anger at the verdict is due to the fact that the judges had to take the hearsay of a customs official as evidence. Then the judges said that if Schapelle couldn't prove her innocence, then she must be guilty. Surely you can be smart enough to figure out the major flaws in that system. If you can't, then people can clearly see why Indonesians are still struggling to attract investment into their country.

7:25 PM  
Anonymous raditya said...

Surely the judges in all over the world cannot take HEARSAY OF HEARSAY as an evidence.

Doesn't my angry fit in well with you all mates? I try to keep cool with your insults to Indonesia, but passion has its limits bro. When you attack a country's embassy, it's an unbearable insult. I can take it if it's because of Bali bombings which many Indonesians're also embarrassed. Still I hold my passion, that's why I said "we" and "us" not "I" and "me". Why? Because you have attracted many attention now in Indonesia, and it strongly will affect Corby's case. I'm out.

9:14 PM  
Blogger Kalgor said...

Remember last year when a powerful bomb exploded at the front gate of the Australian embassy in Jakarta and killed six indonesian people and injured dozens more?

That is a bit different to a moron posting baby powder in an envelope to the Indonesian embassy in Australia.

But we will for now have to wait and see if they can catch the idiots and see what other tricks the media has up their sleeves to help fuel hysteria.

9:42 PM  
Anonymous raditya said...

BOYCOTT BALI????

Well in 2004 Indonesian students in Australia are about 20.000 students.

According to Melbourne Univ, standard cost of living of international student per month is: (in AU$ excluding travel allowance, visa, college fee, etc.)
- living allowance: $250
- lodging : $1000
- meals : $400
- insurance : $30
- books and supplies: $50
- person. expenses: $200
- local transport: $60
- tuition fee : $1100

So it makes:
AU$ 3090 per MONTH/student.

And per total per YEAR:
AU$ 741.600.000

I must remind you that international students must pay more than locals for tuition fee.

So, who's gonna lose from this boycott competition??? BOTH. You give us your tourist dollar and we give you our students money. Boycotting each other is not necessary and I consider it fool. Just dont be so arrogant, we need each other, weren't Adam Smith and David Ricardo told you about that?

9:56 PM  
Anonymous raditya said...

I admit our judicial system is corrupt, every Indonesian knows that. But they're corrupt mainly in business settlement. For Corby's case they have nothing to profit. So it's not necessary to link this case with our corruption.

Our investment decrease because of many factors. The most important thing is the credibility of our government. That's why Japan will invest 10 billions USD more to Indonesia this year. (http://www.kompas.com/kompas-cetak/0506/02/utama/1790966.htm).

10:03 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The most important thing is the credibility of our government. That's why Japan will invest 10 billions USD more to Indonesia this year.

I hope that the government is successful in ridding Indonesia of corruption. SBY seems like a good choice for president.

PT

10:25 PM  
Blogger Kalgor said...

Australia is the 3rd most expensive place to live in the world since the Oz property boom a few years ago.

Australians get their Uni degrees for 25% of the price and government forks out for the other 75%.

This is because Government knows that if they create highly skilled workers than the government gets more tax dollars back over the 45 years of a workers life.

We have HECS which we pay interest on and Uni's as of next year will be putting the prices up another 25% for local students.

Yes the cost of living in Melbourne and Sydney suxs arse :(

2 bedroom apartment in Oz costs $400,000US in China same apartment is $16,000US.

To make matters worse this is the highest taxing government Australia has ever had.

I make $1,500AU a week and dont have much change left over at the end of the week after I pay tax, rent, travel, food and bills.

But thats how capitalism works, it must inflate and only way to do that is suck more money out of the citizens.

10:54 PM  
Anonymous raditya said...

Thanks PT, we Indonesians hope so for SBY. That's why we're happy when he came to Australia and everything seems gonna be alright.

Yup Kalgor, it's capitalism. I read that you have problems also in Australia to pay for univ since it becomes so expensive that some girls enter sex industry in order to get money. In Germany and France the problem is much lesser since it's free to enter univ even until doctoral degree. But the economic condition there is not so good rightnow.

11:37 PM  
Anonymous Benno said...

The ilove.tsunami whatever blog simply substantiates the anger that these Indonesians feel. As an Australian, It hasn't taken long for the xenophobic, racist element to rear its ugly head. Apparently, short, slanty eyed people should not be able to prosecute whites but it seems ok that whites can prosecute short, slanty eyed people such as Japanese Chika Honda.

n 1992 Chika Honda was a 36-year-old Japanese woman working at nights in a pub in a satellite town north of Tokyo. One night, Mitsuo, a regular customer at the pub, asked her to join him and his brothers in a tour group holiday to Australia. Chika accepted, looking forward to her first overseas trip. She had heard of koalas and kangaroos. On the way to Melbourne, the group stopped over in Kuala Lumpur. A local tour guide, Charlie, a business associate of Mitsuo's brother, picked them up at the airport and took them to a restaurant before checking into a hotel. While they were having their meal, their van and their suitcases inside it were stolen. Charlie told the group to check into the hotel and wait until he sorted things out.

The next morning, he returned with their belongings and a new set of suitcases, explaining that their luggage had been slashed with a knife. Most of the contents had been left intact, so the new suitcases were packed. When the group arrived in Melbourne, customs found 13kg of heroin in the lining of their suitcases. Chika and the others were arrested, investigated, charged and later tried and sentenced.

Many events resulted in Chika's plea of innocence not being heard: inadequate interpreters during the investigation and trial, unknown to investigators; a jury and the judge who did not understand Japanese; inaccurate Melbourne media reports about "a Japanese mafia syndicate"; the trial of all five in the tour group at once due to cost cutting measures; and legal aid lawyers advising the accused not to take an individual stand during the court case in case it disadvantaged the others.

Chika's life in prison began without any English. She became depressed and suffered panic attacks. When her application to the Supreme Court failed and all other legal avenues to prove her innocence failed, she tried to kill herself by slashing her wrist in the middle of the night.

The i.lovetsunami blog is the ravings of a typical, lower class rubbish person who has latched on to the corby drama like the leech that he/she is. We all know that this person cares not for the plight of corby, he/she is simply using her ordeal as an excuse for his/her greater hatred of non-whites. He/she seems to be of the nordic persuasion , which with not much suprise is the most racist and backwards of all pre-Christian European pagan belief systems. Unfortunatley for the nordics, they were still procreating with wild boars and communicating via mere grunts whilst the "nigger" societies such as the Ancient Ethiopians had produced literature and centres of learning even before the ancient Egyptians. At this stage of proceedings, the nordic parasites had just discovered carnal pleasures such as incest and beastiality in their illiterate, backwards society.
Therefore, do not heed the words of a nordic ignoramus whose race can only claim to have produced rape, stupid fairy tales about a man in the clouds with a big hammer and stupid hats that idiot swedish tennis supporters wear.

And to the poster that claims that Aborigines are treated well here, life expectancy and incarceration figures, specifically in states such as Queensland and Western Australia tell a different tale. Oh yes, mandatory sentencing is beneficial for Aboriginal people somehow!!

8:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And to the poster that claims that Aborigines are treated well here, life expectancy and incarceration figures, specifically in states such as Queensland and Western Australia tell a different tale. Oh yes, mandatory sentencing is beneficial for Aboriginal people somehow!!

Life expectancy amongst Aboriginal Australian people are about 15 to 20 years below non-Aboriginal. White Australians are expected to live for about a little over 80 years. Aboriginal life expectancies have increased since Europeans arrival. Aborigines wouldn't have survived up to 50 years of age before European help, because of a lack of medicines and malnutrition. Indonesians live for about 65 to 70 years, which isn't much longer than Aboriginal Australians. The difference in life expectancy can be attributed to higher smoking and alcohol consumption rates amongst Aboriginals.

Let's not forget that Aborigines are given more money than non-Aboriginal Australians for things like student allowances, or student accommodation support. Aborigines are given less jail time for the same offences than non-Aborigines. Aborigines are treated leniently for making racist statements, while non-Aborigines (particularly white Australians) are severely reprimanded. Though incarceration rates of Aborigines are higher, Aborigines are also found to be committing a lot more crimes to warrant lax punishment. What do you expect? Do you really think that police should not arrest Aborigines for committing crimes?

10:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

THE ABORIGINES ARE ALL FINE BEFORE U SO CALLED 'AUSTRALIAN' CAME ALONG.

10:33 AM  
Anonymous raditya said...

stop it guys, Indonesians, Australians, get over it!

11:55 AM  
Anonymous DDIndo said...

life expectancy is only one among many indicators of individual welfare. Freedom also, not to mention opportunity cost. Can you imagine Australians, if there's no Europeans in Australia and they own their country, they can make arrangement about oil and other natural resources with Japaneses, and get wealthier ever, maybe wealthier than our Brunei counterparts. You don't know the fact that East Timor facilities are much better than West Timor. The reason they want to be independence from us is because you Australians whispered in their ears that they have abundant of oil and gas that they could have the benefit if they cooperate with you. Everybody knows it. So dont teach us about life expectancy. Murder? How about civil war in US? Why didnt they just let the southern states independece? What ever the reason which I feel pity about crime against humanity, I guess you must take a mirror first before telling others, not to mention Chika Honda. A primitive court? Who?

4:31 PM  
Anonymous raditya said...

BOYCOTT BALI????

Well in 2004 Indonesian students in Australia are about 20.000 students.

According to Melbourne Univ, standard cost of living of international student per month is: (in AU$ excluding travel allowance, visa, college fee, etc.)
- living allowance: $250
- lodging : $1000
- meals : $400
- insurance : $30
- books and supplies: $50
- person. expenses: $200
- local transport: $60
- tuition fee : $2000
So it makes:
AU$ 3740 per MONTH/student.

And total per YEAR for 20.000 students:
almost AU$ 1 billion

I must remind you that international students must pay more than locals for tuition fee.

So, who's gonna lose from this boycott competition??? BOTH. You give us your tourist dollar and we give you our students money. Boycotting each other is not necessary and I consider it fool. Just dont be so arrogant, we need each other, didn't Adam Smith and David Ricardo tell you about that longtime ago?

5:26 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Fact 1:
Schapelle’s dad stated that he saw Shapelle pack her luggage."

WELL HE IS HER FATHER.

Fact 2:
"Brisbane airport have sent a legal letter stating Schapelle Corbys bag was x-rayed whilst in holding, she did not have access to the bag again until after she landed in Bali. The bag was cleared for any prohibited contents and then transferred from Brisbane to Bali, via Sydney."

IS THIS STORY TRUE? THE FACT IS THAT THE SAME BRISBANE AIRPORT AND QANTAS WHICH COULDN'T GIVE RECORD OF CORBY'S BAG WEIGHT WHEN SHE CHECKED IN.


"Fact 3:
Australian Federal Police (AFP) requested a sample of the weed she was caught with so they could determine where it was grown. "

WITH THOSE HYDRPHONIC BANANA SIZE, THEY ABSOLUTELY COME FROM AUSTRALIA. WHAT THE FUSS?


"Fact 4:
The AFP requested to finger print the plastic bag the weed was contained in… the Indonesian Police have advised this is not possible as it has all their finger prints over it.. Not wearing gloves whilst handling evidence, sounds really obvious if you ask me."

IS IT REALLY NECESSARY? HOW ABOUT IF SHE USED HAND GLOVES WHEN SHE PUT IT IN?

"Fact 5:
Schapelle Corby’s lawyers have demanded video footage from Bali airport, alledgedly showing Schapelle attempting to stop the custom officer from unzipping her bag. The footage was not produced."

THE CUSTOM OFFICER DON'T HAVE ANY MOTIVE TO TELL UNTRUTH IN THIS CASE. IN FACT HIS LIFE MORE MISERABLE BECAUSE OF THIS CASE (BECAUSE HE BECOMES BUSIER :))

"Fact 6:
Gold Coast businessman, Ron Bakir, fowarded a sworn statement from an unnamed source which supported the claim of Schapelle�s innocence.
The statement supports that Schapelle Corby is a victim of Australian drug trafficking ring."

IT'S PROVEN AS A HEARSAY OF HEARSAY. THE SAME RON BAKIR ALSO WHO ALLEGED THAT THE JUDGES ASKED HIM FOR MONEY AND THAN HE WROTE A LETTER TO SAY SORRY. COCKROACH TYPE PERSON. I WONDER WHY YOU BELIEVE THIS BANKRUPTED SALESMAN.

8:05 PM  
Blogger Kalgor said...

Im not sure what the US civil war has to do with Indonesian/Australian relations.

Did you know that archaeologist have found evidence that a European race settled in the USA way before 'Native American Indians' did?

The US had a war of independence against the British; the French supported the US to victory and hence the French gave USA the statue of liberty, but USA saved the French in World War II and so USA turned the statue of liberty to face Europe.

The US civil war was to stop slavery. Did you know that African tribes kidnapped other African tribes and sold them to white slave traders?

Those ancient Ethiopians are doing pretty well now after the Africans screwed over their own country and sold their people off; who as free slave labour helped USA become a super power.

Seems like a lot of hatred towards white people here, surprised you havent brought up the Nazi's and Japanese trying to exterminate everyone.

Japan lost cause they ran out of resources, mainly oil. Guess who is the 2nd biggest importer of oil in the world at the moment?

Stocking up for round 2 perhaps?

Loads of whites died trying to defend most Asian countries from the Japanese. The Japanese tried to wipe out the Chinese with biological warfare and were pushing south to gain the resources and even Australia was in their scopes.

But today Australia sends Japan tonnes of raw materials, Japan builds electronic components and sends them to the Chinese to build Computer parts and then these electronics get shipped back to Australia at 1000 times the price :P

I guess Australians can get annoying trying to be benevolent, as we have a thing for going for the under dog down on their luck or helping those that we feel are less fortunate. This can make other countries feel like they are incompetent.

Take Bougainville in the Solomon Islands, a guerrilla militant has surfaced out of exile and convinced the Bougainvillian people to kick the Australian federal police out of their country. This guerrilla leader has declared himself king and lots of the citizens have put their life savings into this kings bank.

Once they had kicked the Australians out of their country, the citizens celebrations soon turned to desperate pleas for the Australians to come back and arrest this King, once people realised they could not take their money out of the banks. People soon realised the guy was deluded and he now owned most of the citizens money not to mention running the country.

There are a lot of Australians out there across the world helping build infrastructure and give those doing it tough a helping hand. My mate was a serving soldier in East Timor and if he had not of been there to protect a village 4 militant men would of killed all the villagers and their kids.

So yes Australians feel annoyed at the Corby thing and reading these messages seems like it is about a countries ego rather than giving someone down on their luck a fair go.

Cultural tolerance can be hard at times but humanity is trying its best to move forward and squash primitive tribal fighting.

As for the Aborigines, Aboriginal tribes forced the weaker tribes south, the weakest tribe ended up in Tasmania, unfortunately the white settlers killed off the Tasmanian tribe. Therefore the original inhabitants dont exist anymore.

Im welsh and you dont see me going back to the Queen to ask for my ancestors land back (who was a king that held the top third of Wales). I do what most people do on this planet. deal with it, get over it and move on :P

Sure it suxs that white people thought they were doing good trying to get Aboriginals to follow whites way of life.

White people introduced the concept of stealing to the Aborigines and so whites have been getting pay back for 200 years :P

Guess the Aborigines have to think whether they would of prefered to be over run by the British or by the Japanese?

As I mentioned before 1 in 6 Australians are asian and 1 in 4 citizens in Sydney are asian.

For every child that is born in Australia one immigrant comes in.

The South East area of Melbourne in the state of Victoria in Australia, is a large density of Indonesian ethnicity. The terrorist threat letter was sent from this area and written in the Indonesian language.

Im not a rocket scientist but do you thing a white english speaking person learnt how to write in the Indonesian language over night and travelled to this area to post the letter?

So this weekend Westerners and Indonesians in your country will probably die as radicals run around blowing up things in retaliation to the letter of baby powder sent to the Indonesian embassy in Australia.

Then countries wonder why 'racist' Australians get annoyed at why there is a large amount of ethnic crime in Australia. In some countries its ok to throw battery acid in your wifes face cause she didnt cook the lentils properly. Australians just want people that immigrate here to embrace the Australian way of life and not bring over their problems that they left behind only to start them up here. Pauline Hanson tried to explain this but did a bad job and her other policies were a bit nuts. :P

If you watch the news here in Australia, I have trouble trying to pronounce all the criminals names. Maybe the news is racist but 9 in 10 crime reports have an asian, middle eastern or western european name.

Yes Australia was Britains dumping ground for criminals and that was 200 years ago. We are mostly hard working people now a days, working 80 hours a week getting paid for 40 hours and then getting screwed over with taxes and high prices from the government.

We try to save money to fulfill our dreams to one day buy a house or to travel abroad and yes groups of people try to make extra money under the governments nose by selling domestic marijuana and Corby guilty or not has got tangled up in it.

The ANZAC spirit in this country is dying and soon the whites will have a loss of identity and suffer just like the aborigines, as the populations increases by 250% over the next 50 years with most immigrants coming from Asian countries and Australia will become part of Asia.

I thought that Australia had one law, but apparently as an Asian taxi driver told me, there is a white law(Australian), a yellow law(Asian) and a black law(Aboriginal)
plus smaller ethnic religious laws.

I personally love multi-culturalism as some countries have excellent foods and festivals and when I lived in Sydney everything was just around the corner :)

9:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

despite having big boobs and blue eyes, schapelle is such an average woman. for god's sake, forget her and try to fight for someone else who is more attractive. she's not worth it you see.

10:38 PM  
Anonymous Arjuna said...

well Kalgor, you're an intelligent person. That's why your postings always seem objective to me. This case has already consumed a lot of my time, I'd like to get it over. But your posting intriguing me to reply. About US civil war and Indonesia, I consider East Timor (half of them) tried to separate from Indonesia as an almost similar case with US civil war in ONE point of view, in which as the US Northern states don't want to let the Southern states to be independence, Indonesia also don't want to let East Timor to be independence. Do you know that they have killed each other in 1970s, that's why Indonesia (with support from US and AUS) invade that country tried to stop blodshed? Surely there're always victims like your journalists, it's war there! And the militant you call them, they also East Timoreses, while Indonesian soldiers let militant to wage war with their fellow Timorese is normal, they want ET to be always part of Indonesia, we have interest there, especially after we build many facilities. You cannot let people just walk away after they have lunch in your resto. And after AUS soldiers came, they let the pro-independence to do revenge to their fellow militants. You didn't do a better way in fact. And after those humanity aids, AU govt just take away their oil, how smart? It's always like that buddy, the US help us gain our Papua just because they want our mining that now controlled by Freeport mining co. US thinks that dealing with us is pretty easier than with the Dutch. Always the same.

As for the fake powder. If it's Indonesian who sent it, do you think that he'd like to use Indonesian language and post it from post office in front of his house? Ohh c'mon Kalgor, I know you're smart. As you also aware that many Australians can speak and write in Indonesian language, and going far away to that area is not a big deal rather than getting caught. Does it make sense to you? C'mon buddy...

2:31 AM  
Blogger Kalgor said...

Hi Arjuna,
This blog has helped a lot in learning a bit more about other cultures. While I have read up and fascinated with learning about history and other cultures. It can be hard to get the facts and views from both sides of a conflict, as most of us feed of the distorted and manipulated stories and propaganda from the media rather than doing our own research.

From my soldier friends point of view, he was there to try and stop people from slaughtering each other. But soldiers are always the pawns in political games.

How do two sides mediate to work out something to benefit each other when they are angry and have weapons pointed at each other?

As you can see I havent done research on a lot of southern asian countries but one day hope too.

Corporations are taking over the world and US corporations seemed to be tied in with the US government, if they dont like a countries trade deal that favours other countries then they usually bend it to fit in with themselves.

A number of US companies have tried to sue me because I had posted a paragraph on the internet and two or three words that made up a sentence were the intellectual property of this US company. I mean seriously!

5 major International I.T. companies are currently trying to sue Australia's CSIRO government research department, as our country developed and holds the patent to wireless networking technology and these I.T. groups are pissed and want the patents and for CSIRO to denounce they invented it.

So its sort of weird in war torn countries they settle things with guns. In corporate countries they settle things with lawyers till one side runs out of cash :P

As for the letter, yes it is finger pointing when you have to base a decision off the current evidence and yes I could come up with 1000s of scenarios and zero could be correct.

The one scenario I mentioned was that for all we know, maybe an ex-indonesian citizen bitter with their country, who left to become a citizen of Australia has decided to get payback.
1.Letter written in indonesian
2.Letter sent from an 'Indonesian Australian' area.

I can speak a little bit of cantonese, like hello and nice day and thankyou. But I would have no idea how to write it.

But as you said it doesnt mean shit, it seemed most probable but then again its more probable some white prick that has served out his 10 year sentence in Indonesia could of done it too.

Hopefully the police will catch them and we will find out.

Most British white people exist on the east coast, south coast, south west coast and tip of north west coast and with house prices alongthe coast tripling in price, people will start moving more inland.

The Victorian South East Coast is actually the second largest greek/italian population outside of their respected countries and this group has broken many a record that their original countries once held :P

The basic driving primitive motivation of each human on this Earth is 'pain avoidance', we try to go through the least amount of pain to gain pleasure.

As I mentioned Australians that work hard long hours and get little money in return are stressed out and some unwind stress through alcohol and drugs. I prefer the old exercise myself ;)

Basic character steps of a human:
1. Survival 'pain avoidance'
2. Shelter 'home, food, sex'
3. Social 'community'
4. Self Esteem 'build your confidence and self worth'
5. Self actualisation 'leadership, realise ones full potential'

Each of the 6 billion individuals on this planet starts from step one and spends their life trying to get to step 5.

Just the step 5 people, while most are good and help out their fellow man the others use their powers for self gain.

Soon there will be 9 billion people and it will be hard to help others when you cant help yourself as we eat away our resources.

China is doing great things at the moment to use renewable energy.

Maybe in a 1000 years time we will out grow tribal territorial battles and fix social problems.
But as history shows and with the free will of human decisions, we probably wont get to far ;P

8:14 AM  
Anonymous Ben said...

Gimme a break kalgor. Anglo Aussies feel threatened by immigrants. This whole argument of anglo aussies wanting others to assimilate is absolute bollocks. The vast majority have assimilated and are scorned by the host anglos who mock their attempts at being "fair dinkum" aussies. Yes, they want ethnics to assimilate then when they try, they are derided as being tryhard, non genuine aussies who look stupid.
And regarding all these so called ethnic "crimes", the majority of melbournes gangland criminals have surnames such as Williams and Smith, that sounds really ethnic to me, not to mention the three teenagers in toowoomba who bludgeoned and raped their victims to death, Martin Bryant, thats an ethnic name, the king street murders, corporate/political criminals and the biggest criminals sittin in a big building on capital hill.
If anything, ethnic crimes are reactionary due to the host society's continual derision and scorn at the percieved lack of "assimilation" coupled by the actual, threatening nature of assimilated ethnics out-Australianing the so called, real aussies. The vast majority of serious crimes involving rape and murders are committed by aussies themselves.
Secondly, Australians when moving overseas are the least assimilated peoples on earth. They actively refuse to adapt to their host nation, creating enclaves with aussie only pubs, bars and clubs, aussie style food (a misnomer in itself) and facilities to enjoy aussie sports such as AFL.

And to the poster blabbing on about the improvements of aboriginal life expectancy, yes, they should bow down to us because we extended their life expectancies over the past 200 years by 10 odd years whilst our own lives have been extended by at least 30!!

Aborigines are only ever respected in this country if they become the circus monkeys that the anglos make them out to be as Australian Rules Footballers and rugby league footballers. Yes, lets be proud that our nation has its own tacticless form of football that is apprarently so brilliant, that it hasn't even been able to be exported successfully to New south Wales, let alone overseas. That is the only claim to fame these anglos have and they still fail, oh yes they must all assimilate!!!

9:05 AM  
Blogger Kalgor said...

Hi ben,
Yes I do have a biased happy middle class male anglo australian point of view, cause I lack the empathy to understand what it must be like for someone to immigrate to a foreign country and try to 'assimilate'.

As I am lucky enough to grow up with family and friends for support.

I did not say that zero white Australians commit crimes, I said watching the daily news after weeks, months and years, to me it seems like there are a lot of ethnic crimes. Yes maybe my anglo brain is conditioned to believe what the media feeds me and to block out the anglo Tom, Dick and Harry names and go hunting for the ethnic names perhaps?
Sure enough if the host anglos are not giving others a chance then the smaller groups lash out.

I lived in the suburb of Flemington on 6 month lease, this is a large Vietnamese population and I was impressed with the sense of community.

I had previously lived in Redfern for 3 years and worked for an IT company near Kings Cross. Redfern my house got robbed 3 times and weirdos would follow me down alley ways wanting my money. Kings Cross, I stepped over heroin addicts, syringes and dog shit all day. They are not the two greatest areas of Australia.

Of course there are and always will be sickening crimes. Martin Bryant I think holds the record for single handily killing the most amount of people in one day. Nothing to be proud of.

We have two main government parties the Liberals and Labour, Liberals have control of the federal government and Labour parties holds control over each state. So we getting screwed over from both sides.

My asians friends from Korea, Thailand, Vietnam, Japan and China rarely have anything good to say about each other are they Bigots like the Anglos?

As for Anglos screwing over ethnics, Anglos screw over Anglos.

Take a look at Macquaire Fields, After the Kelly boy stole a car got chased by the police and crashed it, killing his two mates. The suburb rioted against the police for the deaths. 'Aussies' shun these people as being derelict no hoper druggies and a pimple on Australias behind.

Step back a few decades. The government saw that Sydney was expanding. They decided to build outer suburbs. The government built the residential areas and a shopping centre and promised to build an industrial area. Low income people bought up the housing and the government then turned around and didnt worry about building the industrial areas. Thereby dooming the residence to struggle and do it tough and degrade into what it is today, since they didnt get the jobs they were promised.

I will admit my phobia and fears of immigration are more to do with the buckling infrastructure trying to keep up with the population growth.
As I have an uneducated fear Australia will just be another over populated poor starving nation.
My other phobia is why do so many people want to come here? I have no desire to live in another country as my friends and family are here but I would love to travel.

Is it for a better life style?
For better education?
False promise of freedom?
Work to send money home?

Lot of Chinese kids(from the one child policy) must be feeling the pressure. The 'lil emperors' have to support their parents and grandparents.

Sydney has a major problem with its train network and train lines are the veins and arteries to keep major cities moving. Then again maybe the government is bringing in these skilled immigrants to help build the infrastructure :P

Australia has been in drought for a long time and Sydneys water supply is at dangerous lows.

I have a small understanding that poorer countries turn towards religion as a way of life and richer countries turn towards ego and when the ego realises it will die soon, it then goes to Byron Bay to dance naked on the beach for some sort of spiritual self worth ;P

Could you explain more about Aussies in host nations?
I know Aussies have a thing for going to the United Kingdon, Japan, Europe, Canada and America on a 2-4 year work visa, they are called JAFA's (Just another fucking Aussie)

Asian countries are trying to get english speaking teachers to come over?

South Korea is putting pressure on its kids to learn english and go as far as to cut off the bit of skin below the kids tongue to help pronounce english words.

Some Corporations as I mentioned are for self worth. Governments and corporations when working together can be dangerous as they want a world of consumers and profit.

I know I refer back to China a lot, I assume China went south and west as they grew? China is trying to build a western world, they also are investing money into renewable resources, as they said in the long run renewable energy is better than having to invest their money into the military to go gain resources from foreign countries (USA take note hey?)

Technology exists to use something that is 70% of the earths surface and humans hold 70% of it also.

You would be surprised what you can do in coastal areas with the cold water from the depths of the ocean.

You can also use Thermo heat from the earths core(you know that stuff under the earths crust that we all sit on) to run turbines to generate electricity.

You can also transmit electricity through the air.

You can also create fuel cells or run electricity through water, filter it through acetic acid to produce pure hydrogen to run your vehicles on.

But the above would kill off the governments and corporations from making large profits and capitalism could collapse.

Yes greedy corporations make people feel inferior and incompetent. People in the western world are becoming obese, have health problems and take loads of medication cause companies condition them and try and hook them for life to forever consume.

I could rave on for days about crap and I am totally off subject about the Corby thing, hope you all have been entertained by my dumb narrow minded white guy ramblings ;)

12:27 PM  
Anonymous arjuna said...

Yup we're off subject now :) As for aborigins, I dont have any valid information about them, how they live, etc. since I havent made any research on this subject. However, it's interesting for me about "life expectancy", as you mention life exp. in your country is about 90 yrs in average. Well, there's many discussions about it as for myself and many of my friends maybe 70 yrs is enough. The most important thing is not about the longer life itself bt rather make our life useful and colourful. You may agree with it if you like to read Hemingway.

As about racism in Australia, I also don't have any idea since I've never been there. But what I heard it's not really good. I wonder why. I know things like that happens anywhere. I study in western Europe now, speak their language as well as English. It's easy to dislike Coloured skins here as many crime are commited by them. You know why? it's mainly because of poverty. However, I know among the Europeans, the English is the least racist as you may aware too. So sometimes I wonder why Americans and Australians as countries derived by English culture have long history of racism.

English language is also interesting. You're lucky guys taken for granted this language. As you may aware too that English becomes widely use because the US is the actual winner of WW 2 (before, the language of diplomatic is French). If not, half of us speak Germany and we in Asia Pacific speak Japanese now.

Well what ever the case, I'm happy that some of you dont narrowmindedly blame a whole country because of this Corby's case. After 1960s, many Australians come to Bali, and this case just happens once while others are safe. So pls do come if you feel comfortable as you have your right also not to come, and we surely thank you for your donation to our fellow tsunami victims, it means a lot for them as for me too.

1:11 PM  
Blogger Kalgor said...

Hi Arjuna,
Racism comes from the primitive part of the brain.
People have a fear of change as it takes them out of their comfort zone and racism forms from this.
This racism is reinforced now a days by family, friends and the media and can be hard to break the vicious cycle.

You can take kids from all over the world and place them in a room, sure it will be anarchy but the kids will run a muck having fun till someone gets injured or has a fight.(then basic racism will develop, fear of pain, pain avoidance eg. refer back to my basic 5 step graph :P)

I appologise myself if any of my posts have come off racists. I understand that every one at one point has immigrated to Australia, even the aborigines did. When an international crime organisation comes into Australia, people can back lash against that whole race just because of one criminal or group of criminals.

Fears and phobias get the best of people before their rational thinking kicks in.

As for the Aboriginal people, although history is sketchy, 200+ year ago a dutch ship wreck was found, 2000+ years ago egyptian reed boat was ship wrecked.
But historians say the aboriginals came here somewhere between 40,000 to 130,000 years ago.

It is believed the aboriginals came from the south east countries of asia (ie. Indonesia being one) and were most likely fisherman traveling in their boats around the islands till these boat people hit Australia.

As I said I havent studied southern asian countries, so I do not know if the Indonesian ancestors from 40,000 to 130,000 years ago were peaceful people or at war?

If they were peaceful people then it is most likely fishing villages eventually went South till they hit Australia.

If there were large waring tribes back then, then it would of been the weaker tribes being persecuted and oppressed by the stronger tribes and therefore forced across the oceans till they hit Australia.

Unfortunately there isnt much documentation on what actually happened. So for all you people that blame whites for the Aboriginals treatment, Indonesians may of done the exact same thing between 40,000 to 130,000 years ago to their own people.

Even if people peacefully moved here, for 40,000 years the south asian countries forgot about them or had no interest and both went their seperate ways to generate their own cultures.

Today Australians are about reconciliation and trying to do what we can to fix our problems. Most of the Northern Territory has been given back to those aboriginal tribes and in most towns the aboriginal flag flies along side the anglo Australian flag.

Some aboriginals like the western world and work hard to build a life. Some go back to their roots, some travel in between and some anglos even go to join tribes.

As for the AFL getting in aborigines, AFL in the Northern Territory the teams are pretty much 100% aboriginal teams and the communities love the game. Should the Anglo AFL excluded the best aboriginal players for playing for the A grade teams?

The Federal government tried to give the Aboriginals their own government to look after their own people it was called ATSIC (Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Commission). But did the people in charge use the government funding to help their own people?... No! The people in charge of ATSIC used the money for their own personal gain and the government had to put white people in to run it.

One of the Aboriginals biggest government protestors is a lady demanding the government pay her back rent, the government has already given her a large beautiful house and a large piece of land between Canberra and the snow ski fields. But she protests for more. Is this for her people or for her self gain?

An aboriginal school principal faces loosing his job after he abused 5 of his aboriginal students. The students had no interest in learning anything and no ambition to improve their self worth. The principal got angry and tried to talk sense into them.

The people that suffer the most are the people that are 'half casts' part aboriginal part white. They feel that neither side wants them and you hear stories that these communities the men drink and smoke their benefits away and bash their women and the kids are left to stealing to feed themselves and sniffing petrol as something to fill in the day.

When development takes place in Australia, Aboriginals from the local tribe get paid $200 an hour to stand their and make sure 'sacred sites' are not disturbed. Many Australians dont even know about this. Did you?

In my town a footpath is being built around the side of a small beach headland. The local aboriginal tribe will be paid $90,000 AU to watch this footpath be built and to make sure the workers do not disturb a 'sacred site'

Another case, An aboriginal tribe got their coastal land back, their leader sold the land to a developer for Millions of dollars and the leader said "It was like winning the lottery"

So yes their are Aboriginal people doing it tough, there are anglos doing it tough and there are ethnic races within Australia doing it tough. But a lot of what I have talked about has been negative and the majority of multi-cultural Australia works hard and tries to enjoy life with their family and friends.

And Yes Arjuna one day I hope to save up enough money to go and travel and see what the rest of the world is like. Usually the poor to middle class Australians travel to Bali and/or New Zealand for holidays.

7:45 AM  
Anonymous Jess said...

The thing is, Indonesia relies on Australia for tourism, imports, military training/equipment etc., not to mention forgein aid because they're too poor to provide for their own people.

Whereas Indonesia is about as useful to us as a sore tooth. Boycott us all you want - I can't wait to see you suffer.

11:06 PM  
Anonymous pik said...

Jess, I'm sure you're an educated people, please provide us with your data like many of us Indonesians do here, I bet you haven't read the import-export data between our country so that you make your comment. Military training? Since when? With the US? yup! But with Australia? Do read raditya comment on our student in your country. Please my friend, we need more clever comments.

3:38 AM  
Anonymous pik said...

I mean "cleverer"

3:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How can 20,000 Indonesian students spend over $740 million in Australian unversities every year? That's about $37,000 every year for every Indonesian student. $37,000 is the equivalent of a reasonably decent year's salary for a worker. I can't imagine over $37,000 being the average figure of what Indonesian students spend, let alone having 20,000 students spend that much. I could imagine the richest top 1% of the 20,000 Indonesian students spending that much at expensive Australian universities, but I see no way that 99% of others would.

12:49 PM  
Anonymous Kat said...

Actually, Australia does help the Indonesian military. My father was in the Navy and saw our officers training Indonesian men.

2:00 PM  
Anonymous pik said...

anonymous,
raditya can only use official standard of living since he couldn't take individual surveys. Let straight it out, even only half of that amount making it about AUD 500 millions, it's much, and each year not once. But our point is, boycott isn't necessary, we both will be lost, we're not only competing each other in this era of globalization but with other countries and if Indonesians can take advantage of your high quality education without fear any racism acts, why not? and you can also enjoy our Bali, why not? thousands Australian tourists have come to Indonesia since 1960s or perhaps earlier, how many case then like Corby's?

Kat, it's called military cooperation. We have also many military officers from Malaysia, Spore, and other many countries here. But we never say that those countries depends so much on us militarily. For us to US, yes! It's important for us to have military trainings from US since many of our weapons are bought from them. No make no mistake.

3:08 PM  
Blogger Kalgor said...

As I basically mentioned in a previous post about Uni fees and cost of living.

To do a 4 year Uni course in Sydney:
Local citizens get HECS and pay for 25% of the course and the government pays the other 75%.

If a local pays upfront they get a 20% discount. Uni will however be raising the local fees by another 25% next year.

Everyone confused yet?

Thats what our tax system does confuses everyone to hand all their money over :P
(ie. $9 Billion dollar tax surplus)

Back to the point...
Overseas student:
Standard 4 year course = $80,000
4 year living expenses = $40,000
(excludes AUSTUDY and is based on my own personal cost of living in Sydney)

Local student:
Standard 4 year course = $20,000
4 year living expenses = $25,000
(AUSTUDY assisted?)

Overseas students = $120,000
Local student = $45,000

But local students will hopefully get into higher skilled jobs and may pay around $15,000 a year in tax for 40 years of their working life.

So overall the local individual will pay out over $600,000 (excluding GST charges) in tax and HECS back to the government in their life time.

How much do Indonesians pay in tax?

9:40 PM  
Anonymous pik said...

tuition fee for graduate studies in Melb uni is between 9,000 - 13,000 AUD per semester (6 months), many Indonesians take not only bachelor degree but also master and doctoral. So the average is about 20,000 AUD per year.

Indonesians who work in Australia also pay the same amount tax as locals do. They must pay tax because they work, not because they enjoy Australian education, both for locals and foreigners.

10:54 PM  
Blogger Kalgor said...

Hi Pik,
Im aware of how much tax people pay in Australia.

I asked how much tax Indonesians pay in their own country of Indonesia.

As I have no idea of wages and taxes and social services that Indonesia has.

11:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi Kalgor,
Hahaha I have no idea, I haven't paid any tax yet :) But surely less than you pay in Oz.

2:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Following several articles on the internet, Ms Corby's supporter sometimes refers to the baggage handlers in Australian airports, as the ones who should responsible to plan the drug into her scabby board. They would to inform us that the Australian airports are not safe since there are drugs mafia operating in such place, randomly pick passenger's baggages and using it as mule to transport their drugs. So, it seems to me the Australian airports are the most dangerous place in the world , where you might find yourself carrying a bag of canabis without your consent and caught by the Australian police. I think we should consider traveling to and between Australian airport as a very good choice to ruin your life, and we should ban to travel to Australia, until the Airports are clear from such illegal activities...

11:05 PM  

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